Kendall Jenner has been having a rough time lately. She starred in that misguided Pepsi ad, promoted the failed Fyre Festival, and last week, she was featured on the cover of Vogue India’s 10th anniversary issue, which many of the magazine’s readers found offensive.

If you miss the carefree days of early 2017 when our Kendall Jenner stories mostly focused on whether or not we’d seen her nipples that day, you’ll appreciate her recent chat with photographer Mario Testino for his On the Sofa podcast. The discussion steers blatantly clear of any controversial topics, and instead, Jenner and Testino reminisce about all the times they’ve worked together, including when he gave her messy hair and the time she posed in nothing but a towel.

TOWEL SERIES 62, KENDALL JENNER. #MarioTestino #TowelSeries @KendallJenner

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While discussing their V Magazine shoot, for which Jenner sported a huge fake tattoo, she emphasizes how much she enjoyed it, saying, “I don’t get to be, like, hot very often.”

@Vmagazine’s January issue by @mariotestino 😈

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After Testino suggests that maybe people are too intimidated to go there with her, Jenner says, “I love going, like, sexual, because I never really do it.”

Ah, maybe this explains why she’s always wearing sheer clothing in public—she wants to remind people she is a sexual being. Even if photographers rarely ask her to pose that way, Jenner unarguably displays her hotness anytime she wants on Instagram:

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cool, now i need a vaca

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chaos

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burger please

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