In the House of Cards universe, there is no couple more powerful than Frank and Claire Underwood. As they rose through the ranks from Congress to the Oval Office, they’ve always had each other’s back. But is their relationship built on love and admiration or their respective power hungry ambitions? Two staffers, Diana Vergara and Joseph Misulonas, debated this issue while watching the third season of the Netflix hit drama.

NOTE: The people in this conversation are through Season 3, Episode 7 of the show. So spoilers, obviously.

When not working at, Diana and Joseph can be found arguing about other important pop culture phenomena here and here.