Something funny happened on the way to interview Matthew McConaughey. As I approached the Toronto hotel where we were scheduled to discuss his new movie, White Boy Rick, I heard a cacophony of screams in the distance—the kind of sounds people make when they’re running from from a nuclear apocalypse, or when there’s a movie star in their midst. And since no cars were overturned and no Avengers were flying overhead, it had to be the latter. After pushing my way through the sea of humanity standing in the way of me and the hotel entrance, I saw McConaughey, dutifully smiling and posing for selfies, his signature curls perfectly intact. Clearly, he’d done this before.
It’s safe to say, without even knocking on wood, that I’m a better dad.
“I usually play people that handle the situation, even if it’s not good for them. [True Detective's] Rust Cohle, [Gold's] Kenny Wells—there’s a whole bunch of them. But I’ve never played someone that loses so much,” he says. “There’s a sobriety to it. And what I mean by that is, these people are just doing what they gotta do to survive. These are people living on needs, not wants. There’s a difference. This is not a privilege. It’s a necessity. And this guy is surviving on the hopes and the dreams of the future.” But despite his character’s propensity to lay waste to everything around him, McConaughey stops short of calling him the L-word. “I don’t play a loser. I play a guy who’s trying to win but keeps losing. That’s the struggle. He can’t cut the mustard. He can’t tow the line. Every scene I’m in, I lose. Someone said the other night, ‘Is this story about redemption?’ And I was like ‘What? Redemption? Hell no! Everybody loses!’”
But Rick Sr. does love his kids. I guess sometimes love just isn’t enough?
“That’s a great way to put it. It’s the first time I’ve heard it. That part I brought, which is the unconditional love and support. Family means a lot to me, and here’s a guy, who all he wants is to have his family together. His heart’s in the right place. He’s got all the ‘want to,’ but he just ain’t got the ‘can do.’ He comes up short every time.”
It’s when he shared scenes with the young Merritt—who had never even taken an acting class, let alone starred in his own movie—that McConaughey’s paternal instinct really kicked in. After all, it was 25 years ago, after being spotted in a Texas bar, that the then-non-actor found himself in front of a camera on the set of Dazed and Confused. “The challenge for me, part of the rodeo for me, was that I knew he didn’t know the rhythms of actors, he didn’t know certain things that we instinctually understand and set each other up for. He didn’t know what a mark was. I had to talk to Richie Merritt. I had to get to Richie Merritt’s heart."
How did you that?
“I noticed early on how much family meant to him. So anytime to get him back on focus or get us in line or to be present in the scene, I could bring up family to him. I could share about my own family, or ask him about his own family, and it would just center him. He’d be right there. Another great thing is that he’s meeting a guy named Matthew McConaughey in the parking lot of a bowling alley, and he’s going to play his dad for the next five months. That’s about all you need, man. His understanding of me is based on the guy he met in the parking lot in the bowling alley, to right now. That’s really what it is.”
Someone said the other night, ‘Is this story about redemption?’ And I was like ‘What? Redemption? Hell no! Everybody loses!’
“I’ve talked to many people in prison, and 99 out of 100 tell you that they are innocent,” the star says. Rick Jr. also admitted that even though he knew that what he was doing then was wrong, he had one helluva time doing it. Still, it was important to both McConaughey and Demange to not glorify a life of crime. “There’s a seduction thing in people being outlaws, people who live by their own rules,” Demange tells me. “That’s always been fascinating for everyone. But I was very careful here to not sensationalize crime. It’s bullshit. I had to be honest in showing the excitement at times of the partying, of the aspirational side of it. You have to remember that I’m looking at it through the eyes of a 15-year-old who's going, ‘This is fucking fun,’ because that’s all Rick told me, how much fucking fun he was having. But I’m not going to sensationalize or glamorize the life.“ McConaughey agrees. “That’s why I was a fan of the script, and I’m a fan of the movie,” he says. “It’s not glorifying, and it’s also not sentimentalizing. It’s saying these are real people in real circumstances.”
McConaughey has been somewhat reluctant to get political in interviews after drawing heat for some post-election comments in which he said we should give Trump the benefit of the doubt, but I decided to end our conversation by asking him whether or not he hopes this film sheds light on the imbalances in the criminal justice system. “You can take that from it. I don’t know if there’s a statement, but you can that from it,” he says. “The parking-lot talk when you walk out of the theater can be about a lot of things. It can be about poverty, mandatory sentences—it can be about a whole bunch of things that are relevant."
Do you think Rick Jr. should be set free?
“Look, there are a lot of people who dealt a lot more, that came in after him and have left before. There are murderers that have come in and left. Then you gotta go, ‘Jeez, how many other thousands are in here that just don’t have a spotlight put on their case?’”